﻿document.write("<div class=\"ptActiveContent\" style=\"width: 100%;\"><div align=\"center\" style=\"width: 100%;\"><div class=\"ptHead1\">Online forum</div><div class=\"ptHead2\">Forum Talkback</div><div class=\"ptHeadSpacer\">&nbsp;</div></div><div class=\"ptItem1\">China is a large country which has little effect on economy in economic crisis.There are not only &#160;large frontier market but also low-cost labor force.So that is a wise choice to cooperate with China.Our company named Beijing Tiantan Haiqiao Passenger¡¯s Vehicle Company which is specialized in manufacturing special purpose vehicle.Such as ambulance,armoured vehicle,all sorts of inspection vehicle,police vehicle,refrigerated vehicle,motor vehicle etc.&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; We sincerely hope to seek cooperation parter to develop Chinese market and creat a better life. Website:www.haiqiao.com.cn&#160;&#160;&#160; www.haiqiao.de Email:info@haiqiao.com.cn Tel:86 10 87913142 Fax:86 10 87913042&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.26&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>3:52 on 12/19/08</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">China is a large country which has little effect on economy in economic crisis.There are not only &#160;large frontier market but also low-cost labor force.So that is a wise choice to cooperate with China.Our company named Beijing Tiantan Haiqiao Passenger¡¯s Vehicle Company which is specialized in manufacturing special purpose vehicle.Such as ambulance,armoured vehicle,all sorts of inspection vehicle,police vehicle,refrigerated vehicle,motor vehicle etc.&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; We sincerely hope to seek cooperation parter to develop Chinese market and creat a better life. Website:www.haiqiao.com.cn&#160;&#160;&#160; www.haiqiao.de Email:info@haiqiao.com.cn Tel:86 10 87913142 Fax:86 10 87913042&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.25&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>3:52 on 12/19/08</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">Why the TRIPS agreement is important in terms ensuring investing in medicines especially for the third world?&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.24&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>hakna87<span>at </span>0:32 on 4/8/08</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">How the TRIPS Agreement undermines the right to health particularly in developing countries?&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.23&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>hakna87<span>at </span>0:29 on 4/8/08</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">No, Trips agreement attempts to strike a balance but it is more suitable to government than individuals who should reap benefits of their hard earned intellectual property. Various provisions of Trips could be seen in this respect, which are by and large government oriented and easily override individual rights. spandey&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.20&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>pandeysanjay<span>at </span>13:03 on 9/29/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">i do not agree with Mr. Harvey that more finacial growth , high GDP and development will be able to get poor people to access to quality medicines . This is an unreasonable belief of him as GDP has nothing to do with with poor people . They would certainly remain poor , even great economists cannot get hold or speculate about Indian market . As he speaks of the copycat companies , i have few words to say or suggest him :- these copycat companies may not produce the quality medicines as you can , but both have to earn profits . when they can provide poor or all at cheaper rates , why can\'t you make your drugs cheaper for such a long period so that you could get hold of the market as well as you get the larger share to lessen your losses while doing so . Patents are very useful and protects its owners rights but what if the owner enjoys such rights while crushing the poor people . though i am studying IPR and holds a law degree but feel that justice cannot be denied to anybody ,...&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.19&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span><a href=\"mailto:lawzdivine@yahoo.co.in\">lawzdivine@yahoo.co.in</a><span>at </span>14:00 on 9/13/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">The forum and the ensuing talkback has been 90 percent about public health, HIV-AIDS. This is important, a matter of life and death for many, many people. The positive side of IP and development however is about DC enterprises acquiring the commercial skills needed to move up value chains.Accept that TRIPS is about developed country enterprises making money in developing countries. WIPO\'s \"development agenda\" of strengthening IP law and enforcement in DCs is consistent with this objective. A complementary program would not be about public interest versus private interest, it would be about DC private enterprises making money in developed countries. This is the side of the balance toward which TRIPS provides nothing. Attention to this challenge could provide a positive IP-related development agenda at WIPO and the WTO.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.18&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Michael Finger<span>at </span>17:24 on 9/7/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">In my opinion the conflict is still going on . Because the TRIPS agreement is granting the exclusive right to the patent holder and it is monopoly. Due to that the conflict is raising and the fair compitition is not going on. It is not same in every country. It is changing which harms thats country\'s economy and public policy also. tushar-2007@hotmail.com&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.17&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>tushar_c<span>at </span>11:58 on 8/31/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">Actually, the rights of government is on behalf of public interest. Now most government in developing countries fail to balance the interest of public and the right of patent holder by stressing too much right on patent holder. For example,new drugs based on small modified engineer job like derivatives or combinations of existing drugs, should not have much value to be patented. Yet ,they are patented and make more profits from the market in the sacrifice of public interest.These provisions are totally on behalf of patent holder like pharmceutical giant. Is this kind of patent system can really stimulate innovation?&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.16&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>maggie<span>at </span>0:46 on 8/29/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">Whether the TRIPS agreement strikes a balance between the rights of governments and patent holders is a difficult question. It is because of a number of reasons that are discussed below. One of the important rights given to patent holders by TRIPS is the monopoly or exclusive rights for twenty years whereas the governments are authorized with the following four powers (in terms of law these can be termed as \'rights\')-->-->--> -->&#160;--> i.&#160; TRIPS offers minimum standards or rules that should be incorporated into the domestic laws of the member countries of WTO. There are certain flexibilities that how the governments incorporate the TRIPS rules into domestic rules. For example, Art. 30 of the TRIPS Agreement provides right to the governments to impose limited exceptions to the exclusive rights of the patent holders. Though a great effort is made to explicate the underlying principles of Art. 30 in the case of \"-->-->-->Canada-->--> - Pharmaceutical Patents\" but still there is...&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.15&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>0:29 on 8/28/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">i will continue to say that capiatalism must be mixed with socialism in well defined measures if human welfare is the concern of all development initiatives.government intervention in regulating patents especially in periods of crisis such as disease breakouts is pertinent.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.14&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>beine peter kaburitsi<span>at </span>15:58 on 8/24/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">with these ideas, you should broken the TRADE, even you will change the true word´s sense, I´m sure that you don´t have any patent, but so do I. so, are you neither medical doctor or pharmaceutical doctor, or something like that? I hope no. the real cost, you will never pay to the owner, you need change your mind. I ask to you apologize for my english in spite off that I´m american citizen. regards info@totiam.es &#160;info@totiam.es&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.13&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>21:56 on 8/21/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">TRIPS contains nothing about the \"rights\" of governments.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.10&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Steve Charnovitz<span>at </span>18:16 on 8/13/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">where can i download the draft submitted by Mr. Peter Allgeier last week please?&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.9&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Rasel<span>at </span>11:01 on 7/28/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">I think this is very difficult question about the right of goverment and patent holders .The patent holders have the income from selling medicine .So I think they have all right in medicine .But in urgent time(like epidemic happen),society need more medicine. So the goverment have to ask the patent holders the plan for maximize producing of medicine.This plan should be active in epidemic time.The goverment also have the plan support this activity. Also the WTO or WHO have the Global plan for producing the medicine for treatment those disease for HIV / AIDS , tuberculosis in those country, where the patent holdrers can buy cheap materials and easy selling it to communities.It lead to cheap price .In Vietnam, the medicine produceing in Vietnam is cheaper 2,5 or 3 than import medicine .The medicine for malaria treatment can be produced in Vietnam because the people can plan the tree as the first material . Also the medicine for treatment avian flu in man can be produced in Vietnam,beca...&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.8&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span><a href=\"mailto:thuynch2003@yahoo.com\">thuynch2003@yahoo.com</a><span>at </span>9:59 on 7/19/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">I can download this video?&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.7&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Jos? Baca<span>at </span>1:55 on 7/18/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">Ce serait bien d\'avoir une traduction de la vid?o.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.6&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>16:22 on 7/17/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">I think the opportunity is there to strick the right&#160;balance b/n the governments and the patent holders.&#160; Patent holders are nothing else but humans with equal concern and responsibilities for their countries. So it is more advantageous to implement TRIPS agreement rather than sweeming in none rules abided envirnment.&#160; The concern for the developing and LDC\'s is better solved while implementing the TRIPs agreement.&#160; The DOHA concern regarding this issue needs a push from every poor country.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.5&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Guest<span>at </span>8:03 on 7/17/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">I think right balance can be made by introducing some bold steps so that R&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.4&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span><a href=\"mailto:maries788@hotmail.com\">maries788@hotmail.com</a><span>at </span>7:01 on 7/17/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">I think it is absolutely true that , once TRIPS is implemented in the field of madicine in India, it will put the poor people in developing countries in disadvantaged situation. They will no longer be able to purchase medicine that mainly focus on tropical diseases, at affordable price. Perhaps TRIPS should be signed with financial consideration for this group.&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.3&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>Hoa<span>at </span>5:24 on 7/17/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">MSF warned: \"If India begins to grant patents the same way wealthy countries do - where medicines are routinely protected by several patents covering each small modification - it could mean the end of affordable medicines in developing countries.\" http://www.greenleft.org.au/2007/703/36494Have discussed this further in forums: \'Free the World from IPR\' and \'United States initiated trade complaints\'. Why did you have a big pharma representive and not an Indian activist? No - TRIPS should be ended. Copyright and patents in todays world serve little useful purpose in the way they are implemented to benefit the MNC\'s. I think the right to life is attached to an individual not the govrnment. In the case of medicines it is the responsibity of the government to translate this right to a reality through health service delivery without the hinderance of unnecessary legal battles. Steve&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.2&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>compasoft1<span>at </span>3:21 on 7/17/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><div class=\"ptItem1\">Does the TRIPS agreement strike the right balance between the rights of governments and the rights of patent holders? &#160; Edited 12/07/2007 12:14 ET by WTOadmin&nbsp;<a class=\"ptFullMsgLink\" href=\"http://forums.prospero.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?webtag=wtodebate&action=message&msg=5.1&fp=\">[view message]</a></div><span class=\"ptFromName\"><span class=\"ptfromLabel\">Your name:&nbsp;</span>WTOadmin<span>at </span>12:06 on 7/12/07</span><div class=\"ptItemSpacer\">&nbsp;</div><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_domain\" value=\"forums.prospero.com\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_webtag\" value=\"wtodebate\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_folderId\" value=\"1\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_tid\" value=\"5\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_subject\" value=\"New%20Discussion\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_contentId\" value=\"\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_returnUrl\" value=\"http%3a%2f%2fwww.wto.org%2fenglish%2fforums_e%2fdebates_e%2fdebate2_e.htm\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_contentUrl\" value=\"http%3a%2f%2fwww.wto.org%2fenglish%2fforums_e%2fdebates_e%2fdebate2_e.htm\"/><input type=\"hidden\" ID=\"PTAC_fp\" value=\"\" NAME=\"fp\"/><textarea id=\"PTAC_body\" class=\"ptTextBox\" rows=\"10\" cols=\"60\"></textarea><div><span class=\"ptNameFieldLabel\">Posted by:</span><input type=\"text\" size=\"20\" id=\"PTAC_signature\" style=\"ptSigField\"/></div><input type=\"submit\" id=\"submitButton\" class=\"ptSubmitButton\" value=\"Post reply:\" onclick=\"PTAC_SubmitTalkback();return false;\"/></div> ")